Writer CEO May Habib on Token Maxing, Enterprise ROI & Surviving the AI Gold Rush

YouTube Summary ยท 11 Jul 2026

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May Habib, CEO of Writer (valued $1.9B), breaks down why Fortune 500 companies are drowning in AI tools but starving for ROI. She argues the enterprise doesn't need another chatbot โ€” it needs a preferences stack: brand voice, compliance, audit trails, and shared workflows that non-technical power users can operate. Writer trains its own Palmyra models for 90%+ of LLM calls, claiming 30-50% token efficiency vs competitors. The real bottleneck isn't technology โ€” it's organizational rewiring, politics, and trust.

Source: YouTube โ€” Upstarts Podcast: May Habib ยท Duration: 45:01 ยท Guest: May Habib, CEO & Co-founder, Writer ยท Host: Alex Conrad, Upstarts Media

๐ŸŽฏ Key Highlights
โฑ Topics by Timeline
00:00 Intro โ€” Writer as an agentic platform for the enterprise; built-in brand, compliance, and scale for non-technical business users
01:30 Who uses Writer โ€” business unit users, not engineers. The 'power user' persona is a non-technical person who thinks systematically and builds workflows others benefit from
03:00 Enterprise inbound โ€” customers have tried everything (Copilot, chat, co-work). Writer steps in with a point of view on the future of the front office by industry
04:30 Production vs Scale โ€” showing agentic capabilities in 30-60 days is easy; getting $80-100M in actual savings takes time because it's about people's jobs and org design
06:00 Fortune 500 pressure โ€” 'bold face names are meeting on the weekend about AI.' Executives forced adoption but have no results to show. Anthropic/OpenAI salespeople 'walk in like heroes, get a contract, and leave to never be seen again'
08:00 Cordova origin story โ€” 12-13 years in NLP/ML. Pivoted from machine translation to Writer in 2020. The pivot was a recap restructuring with a new cap table (visas tied to old entity)
10:30 Palmyra models โ€” Writer's own frontier models power 90%+ of LLM calls. Started training in 2020 because no third-party models existed. Never felt the capital gap meant a capabilities gap
12:00 Room temperature check โ€” depends on organizational politics. CIO/CMO/CEO 'splitting the baby' on strategy vs collaborative orgs that dream big. Sunk cost fallacy of $20-40M internal GPTs
15:00 Executive councils โ€” CIO council, CISO council, CMO council. Anonymous FinOps benchmarking: Writer's CFO interviewing customer CFOs to share AI spend learnings
17:00 Three phases โ€” Pre-ChatGPT ('over my dead body will AI writing come in'), Post-ChatGPT (crazy not to try), Agentic era (differentiation challenge โ€” everyone uses the same words)
19:00 Brand voice as killer feature โ€” regulated industries (CPG, pharma, financial) cannot send LLM-voice emails to clients. Writer's brand/compliance from day one was the door-opener
20:00 Policies and audit trails โ€” admin policies like 'must check email before send.' May shares her own workflow: talking to Slack/phone, Writer drafts in her voice with custom instructions and audit trails
21:10 Hardest moment โ€” the Cordova-to-Writer pivot. Trying to explain encoder-decoders to people who had no idea what the technology could do
22:00 Fundraising as a woman โ€” Vinod Khosla fell asleep in partner meeting. Sequoia rejection cited her kids as 'inspiring.' She and co-founder should have traded pitching roles. Has never socialized with a male VC in a decade
26:30 Rippling ad break โ€” AI built on live workforce data for cross-department action
27:45 Key strategic decision โ€” 'Survive, don't sell, don't quit.' The space rewards teams physiologically set up for hard things over long periods. Maniacal focus on customer ROI over hype
29:00 Champions program โ€” hundreds of business users hitting 500M-1B tokens/month. 10-15% of sales/marketing roles becoming AI-titled. Helps executives justify 10x'ing human investment in AI
30:24 Why train your own models โ€” started in 2020 with no alternatives. Continued because synthetic data in '23 closed the gap. Labs may be weeks ahead but enterprises are 24 months behind
32:30 Not a lab โ€” research, product, and go-to-market are one team. Palmyra 6 in testing, May found cases where she prefers Palmyra 5 โ†’ immediate data feedback loop to research team
33:40 Moat framework โ€” ability to iterate at pace while driving customer adoption. Must not leave behind customers from each era of capability. Empathy across multiple generations of ambition within one account
35:30 Do labs help or hurt Writer? โ€” Model improvements increase the need for a preferences stack. Surface area of preferences explodes with better LLMs. 'Anthropic giving $10M per org to a product with no moat is absolute insanity'
38:00 Enterprise hates service companies โ€” 'Deploy Co' consulting arms from labs won't work. Enterprises want leverage over SIs, not more consultants. Writer teaches you to fish
40:00 Token maxing & ROI โ€” 'People should be getting fired for buying IBM.' Uber blew annual AI budget. $3M overage on 2 weeks of Excel plugin with zero ROI. CEOs and CFOs must get involved
42:00 Negative premium for being a real company โ€” pre-launch AI companies with no product raise more than Writer's $1.9B valuation. Terminal value is the only thing that matters
43:00 Upstart moment โ€” May sees it in the future, not the past. The explosion happens when enterprises trust agents as much as they trust people. Hiring and retaining talent is the biggest challenge now
๐Ÿง  Hermes Integration

๐Ÿ’ก Preferences Stack as Architecture

Writer's core insight: model quality is commoditized, but the 'preferences stack' (brand voice, compliance, scaffolding, audit trails) is the real moat. Hermes already does this partially โ€” memory layers, skills, and GBrain encode user preferences. But we could go further: a formal 'preferences layer' that enforces output style, tone, citation requirements, and per-project conventions automatically, not just as memory notes but as active guardrails on every generation.

โœ… Actionable: Audit current memory โ†’ skill โ†’ GBrain pipeline for gaps where preferences are noted but not enforced

๐Ÿ’ก Token Economics Dashboard

May's anonymous CFO benchmarking program across enterprises is brilliant. Hermes could track token usage per task type, per skill, per model โ€” and surface a FinOps dashboard showing where tokens are being burned efficiently vs wastefully. This aligns with M~'s 'never waste 1-3 hours/day' philosophy: track where AI compute is actually delivering value vs just churning.

โœ… Actionable: Build a token-usage tracking skill that logs model calls, tokens, and task outcomes

๐Ÿ’ก Production โ‰  Scale Mindset

Writer can demo agentic capabilities in 30 days but real ROI takes months because of org/people factors. Same for Hermes: we can build a skill or automation quickly (production), but embedding it into M~'s actual daily workflow (scale) is different. We should distinguish 'demo works' from 'habit formed' in our own rollout tracking.

โœ… Actionable: Add a 'Scale Check' to skill deployment โ€” verify actual repeated use, not just initial success

๐Ÿ’ก Enterprise Brain Concept

Writer's 'enterprise brain' creates proactive shared context across agents and sessions โ€” if you're about to talk to Blue Shield's CRO, it surfaces all related sessions and agent actions. Hermes has GBrain and session_search but lacks a 'pre-meeting context assembly' skill that auto-surfaces everything about a topic/person before you engage.

โœ… Actionable: Build a 'briefing' skill that pre-assembles GBrain + session context for any meeting/topic

๐Ÿ’ก Champions Program Model

Writer's Champions program identifies power users hitting 500M-1B tokens/month and aggregates their patterns to help executives justify investment. Hermes could track which skills/automations are 'champions' (most-used, highest time-saved) and periodically surface a usage report to M~ showing ROI of the system.

โš ๏ธ Worth exploring: Track skill usage frequency and surface a monthly 'Hermes Champions' report

๐Ÿ˜ˆ Critical Thinking & Devil's Advocate
Counterpoint 1: The Preferences Stack is a Temporary Moat

May argues the 'preferences stack' (brand voice, compliance, scaffolding) is Writer's moat because model improvements increase the need for preferences. But this cuts both ways: as models get better at understanding context and instructions, they'll also get better at inferring preferences from fewer examples. What requires a full scaffolding layer today may be a simple system prompt in 2 years. OpenAI and Anthropic are actively building memory, custom instructions, and enterprise features that could absorb Writer's differentiation.

Counterpoint 2: Training Your Own Models is a Capital Trap

Writer trains Palmyra because 'we never felt the capital gap meant a capabilities gap.' But the labs are spending $10B+ on training runs. May says 'labs may be weeks ahead' โ€” but that gap is widening, not narrowing. Synthetic data helped close the gap in 2023, but the frontier is moving faster now. At some point, maintaining a competitive model becomes a capital expense that a $1.9B company can't sustain against multi-trillion-dollar labs. The 'we're weeks behind' claim may be optimistic.

Counterpoint 3: The 'Enterprise Hates Services' Claim is Self-Serving

May dismisses lab consulting arms ('Deploy Co') because 'the enterprise hates service companies.' But Palantir built a $100B+ company on exactly this model. The reality is enterprises hate BAD services, not services per se. Writer's own onboarding involves significant hand-holding โ€” she admits 30-60 days to show value, and the 'rewiring' takes much longer. That IS a services business dressed up as product. If labs offer free consulting (Anthropic's $10M credits), enterprises may take the free option over Writer's paid platform + implicit services cost.

Counterpoint 4: Survivorship Bias in 'Survive, Don't Sell'

May's advice โ€” 'survive, don't sell, don't quit' โ€” is classic survivorship bias. She survived AND succeeded, so the advice sounds wise. But for every Writer, there are 100 companies that 'survived' right into oblivion. The real question isn't whether to quit, but whether to pivot. May herself pivoted from Cordova to Writer โ€” she didn't 'survive' with the original product. The advice would be more honest as: 'survive by being willing to burn it all down and rebuild,' which is what she actually did.

Counterpoint 5: The Woman Founder Narrative is Incomplete

May shares powerful stories about Sequoia's 'inspiring' rejection and never socializing with male VCs. But she then says she should have had her male co-founder pitch instead โ€” which, if followed, would have reinforced the exact bias she's describing. The tension is real, but the solution isn't to capitulate to bias. Also, her claim that she works 80-90 hours/week 'every week' and isn't 'that good of a mom' reveals the toxic expectation structure, not a strategy. The real insight is that the system penalizes women for having families while rewarding men for the same โ€” and no amount of individual heroism fixes a structural problem.